From my understanding of the Stoics, they don’t reject the integration of emotions, rather they emphasize emotional management.
And like in your 7th point, emotional management perhaps becomes easier when your desires are serving a larger good (eudaemonic) rather than a more concentrated (near-term, typically more selfish) pleasure (hedonic). They’d contend the hedonic route can leave you more vulnerable to being thrust about by emotion, since your emotions are only attached to one measly self, and one self is light and more likely to be carried about like a leaf to a gust of wind. High highs, low lows. Eudaemonic pursuits on the other hand are heavier and present a greater struggle, but are more grounding and fulfilling.
The last quote in the 7th point also reminds me of a quote by James Carse, which went something like: we can either spend time struggling with our mortality or accept that we struggle as mortals. More flourishing tends to be produced by the latter.
I think Stoicism often promotes 'detachment' from one's emotions. This has its benefits, and is a form "emotional management" as you say. But it doesn't mean integration.
The philosophy, to use Jordan Peterson's terminology, is helpful for those who are high in agreeableness (tend to be preoccupied with other people's opinions) and high in neuroticism (i.e. those who have a proclivity for depression and anxiety). Sometimes, if you load on these personality traits, Stoicism can help with putting things into perspective and help you realise that not all negative emotion is bad.
That quote from James Carse is fascinating. I will read up on him.
1) James Bond and Philosophy - I am a big James Bond fan and I felt that this book helped me understand basic philosophical ideas that relate to a story/film that I enjoy. It helped me greater understand psychological/philosophical archetypes. If you don't like James Bond, try and find a similar book which links philosophy with characters in popular culture.
2) Beyond Good and Evil - As difficult as this book is to understand as a beginner, it's a great insight into a one-of-a-kind human - Nietzsche.
3) Man's Search for Meaning - Frankl - A great introduction to existential philosophy nested in the story of concentration camp survival. An extraordinary tail.
Oof the Stoics catching strays!
From my understanding of the Stoics, they don’t reject the integration of emotions, rather they emphasize emotional management.
And like in your 7th point, emotional management perhaps becomes easier when your desires are serving a larger good (eudaemonic) rather than a more concentrated (near-term, typically more selfish) pleasure (hedonic). They’d contend the hedonic route can leave you more vulnerable to being thrust about by emotion, since your emotions are only attached to one measly self, and one self is light and more likely to be carried about like a leaf to a gust of wind. High highs, low lows. Eudaemonic pursuits on the other hand are heavier and present a greater struggle, but are more grounding and fulfilling.
The last quote in the 7th point also reminds me of a quote by James Carse, which went something like: we can either spend time struggling with our mortality or accept that we struggle as mortals. More flourishing tends to be produced by the latter.
I think Stoicism often promotes 'detachment' from one's emotions. This has its benefits, and is a form "emotional management" as you say. But it doesn't mean integration.
The philosophy, to use Jordan Peterson's terminology, is helpful for those who are high in agreeableness (tend to be preoccupied with other people's opinions) and high in neuroticism (i.e. those who have a proclivity for depression and anxiety). Sometimes, if you load on these personality traits, Stoicism can help with putting things into perspective and help you realise that not all negative emotion is bad.
That quote from James Carse is fascinating. I will read up on him.
I like how you contrasted these ideas with Stoicism. Any recommended books to learn more about this philosophy as a beginner?
1) James Bond and Philosophy - I am a big James Bond fan and I felt that this book helped me understand basic philosophical ideas that relate to a story/film that I enjoy. It helped me greater understand psychological/philosophical archetypes. If you don't like James Bond, try and find a similar book which links philosophy with characters in popular culture.
2) Beyond Good and Evil - As difficult as this book is to understand as a beginner, it's a great insight into a one-of-a-kind human - Nietzsche.
3) Man's Search for Meaning - Frankl - A great introduction to existential philosophy nested in the story of concentration camp survival. An extraordinary tail.
Thanks for your comment Mike